Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they also save on the PDAs themselves?

Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they
also save on the PDAs themselves?

With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to both
the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't required for
us, but would be a nice option.

In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs.

Thanks,
Sam

ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the
device's internal storage ('on the PDA').

The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those are
written to the device's internal storage.

Mitch

··· On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Sam wrote:

Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they
also save on the PDAs themselves?

With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to both
the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't required for
us, but would be a nice option.

In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs.

Thanks,
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For users concerned about security, since image/audio/video/barcode capture
are all done using 3rd party apps and we don't know where those store their
data, if you want to ensure your device is 'clean', you should always clear
the device's internal storage, in addition to clearing the external SDCard.

··· On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Mitch Sundt wrote:

ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the
device's internal storage ('on the PDA').

The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those are
written to the device's internal storage.

Mitch

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Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they
also save on the PDAs themselves?

With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to both
the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't required for
us, but would be a nice option.

In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs.

Thanks,
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Thanks for the clarification!
Sam

··· On Friday, March 8, 2013, Mitch Sundt wrote:

ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the
device's internal storage ('on the PDA').

The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those are
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Mitch

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Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they
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With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to both
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In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs.

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Mitch,
It seems that some phones have "built-in" SD cards. I do not have an SD
card in the slot on my phone, but I do have a directory on my phone called
/sdcard/ and another called /sdcard/external_sd. It is a Samsung Note. I
don't want to confuse people, but it can be confusing if other phones have
this same notion of an internal SD card (on which ODK will store its data
when no physical SD card is in the phone) and an "external" physical card
for the phone.
Curtis

··· 2013/3/8 Mitch Sundt

ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the
device's internal storage ('on the PDA').

The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those are
written to the device's internal storage.

Mitch

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Sam samantha.elghanayan@gmail.com wrote:

Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they
also save on the PDAs themselves?

With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to both
the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't required for
us, but would be a nice option.

In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs.

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That's also quite helpful as we want to ensure that all personal
identifiable data is clear from our devices as soon as we have backup up
the data to a secure location.

Again, thanks.

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For users concerned about security, since image/audio/video/barcode
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store their data, if you want to ensure your device is 'clean', you should
always clear the device's internal storage, in addition to clearing the
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ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the
device's internal storage ('on the PDA').

The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those
are written to the device's internal storage.

Mitch

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Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they
also save on the PDAs themselves?

With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to
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required for us, but would be a nice option.

In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs.

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Ah, yes, that is an unusual case. Some Samsung tablets have 2 SDCards, one
of which is provided by Samsung; I don't know how widespread that type of
configuration is.

To clarify, the internal storage on the phone is where you can install your
apps; it is separate from any SDCard(s) that might be present, whether
provided by the manufacturer or supplied by you. A portion of that
internal storage holds the Android operating system and device drivers for
the microphone, speakers, cellular connection, USB connection, etc.

Internal storage is not visible when you mount your device as a USB drive
on your computer (2.x and below), or plug in as an MVP device (4.x and
above). The only way to see the internal storage is using 'adb shell' and
command line tools. Even then, with the security restrictions on the phone,
none of the internal storage used for storing application data is directly
visible (but this storage is still vulnerable to hacking). For those
interested, the particular areas of concern are under:

/data/data/[APPLICATION_PACKAGE_NAME]

e.g., for ODK Collect,

/data/data/org.odk.collect.android

Unless the application does something special, this is where all an
application's data will be stored. ODK Collect stores its General Settings
and Admin Settings here. But it doesn't store anything else; other apps may.

The SDCard(s) storage is always available under the /sdcard path, and that
is what is shared when you mount your device to a laptop. ODK Collect uses
the directory /odk under this path to store its blank forms, filled-in
forms, and processing status ( i.e, /sdcard/odk ).

Mitch

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Mitch,
It seems that some phones have "built-in" SD cards. I do not have an SD
card in the slot on my phone, but I do have a directory on my phone called
/sdcard/ and another called /sdcard/external_sd. It is a Samsung Note. I
don't want to confuse people, but it can be confusing if other phones have
this same notion of an internal SD card (on which ODK will store its data
when no physical SD card is in the phone) and an "external" physical card
for the phone.
Curtis

2013/3/8 Mitch Sundt mitchellsundt@gmail.com

ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the
device's internal storage ('on the PDA').

The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those
are written to the device's internal storage.

Mitch

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Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they
also save on the PDAs themselves?

With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to
both the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't
required for us, but would be a nice option.

In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs.

Thanks,
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Google has changed the design of Android when it comes to external SD
cards. They have changed the protocol to MTP and other oddities that
are causing problems for ODK tools and the ability to even talk about
things. An Android 2.x phone will have different behaviors than an
Android 3.x and Android 4.x phone.

I can't find the exact post from google doing a quick search but here
is some paraphrasing I found on the internet.

"MTP is a big improvement over USB mass storage — for devices with
lots of internal memory, a manufacturer no longer needs to come up
with some hard partition between the USB mass storage and internal
storage. Instead, they are all in one partition, with MTP providing
access to the directory of media files that would normally be
available through USB mass storage.This means there is no longer a
need for apps on SD card for such devices, because what used to be the
“internal SD card” is in the same partition as where applications are
stored. The storage on your device can be used for either applications
or media, depending on what you want to put on it. You aren’t stuck
with how much space the manufacturer decided to leave for the two
areas.

Oh also this means that the media storage doesn’t need to be unmounted
from Android when it is being access through the PC. "

Also here is another link that documents a discussion with a Google
engineer on the subject.

··· On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Curtis Broderick wrote: > Mitch, > It seems that some phones have "built-in" SD cards. I do not have an SD card > in the slot on my phone, but I do have a directory on my phone called > /sdcard/ and another called /sdcard/external_sd. It is a Samsung Note. I > don't want to confuse people, but it can be confusing if other phones have > this same notion of an internal SD card (on which ODK will store its data > when no physical SD card is in the phone) and an "external" physical card > for the phone. > Curtis > > > > 2013/3/8 Mitch Sundt >> >> ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the >> device's internal storage ('on the PDA'). >> >> The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those are >> written to the device's internal storage. >> >> Mitch >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Sam wrote: >>> >>> Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they >>> also save on the PDAs themselves? >>> >>> With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to both >>> the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't required for >>> us, but would be a nice option. >>> >>> In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Sam >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "ODK Community" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mitch Sundt >> Software Engineer >> University of Washington >> mitchellsundt@gmail.com >> >> -- >> -- >> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ODK Community" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > > > > -- > > Curtis BRODERICK > Head of training and user support > > Tél : + 33(0)1.53.02.40.61 06.15.33.57.37 > > ---------------------------EpiConcept--------------------------- > Systèmes d'Information en Santé > Health Information System > 47, rue de Charenton - 75012 PARIS > > Tel : +33 (0)1 53 02 40 60 Fax : +33 (0)1 53 02 40 62 > -----------------------www.epiconcept.fr------------------------ > > Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont établis à l'intention exclusive > de ses destinataires et sont confidentiels. > > Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci de le détruire et d'en avertir > l'expéditeur. > > The information contained in the Email and any attachments is confidential > and intended solely and for the attention and use of the > > named address(es). It may not be disclosed to any other person without the > express authority of EpiConcept, or the intended recipient, or both. > If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose, copy, > distribute or retain this message or any part of it. > > > -- > -- > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ODK Community" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >

y

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store their data, if you want to ensure your device is 'clean', you should
always clear the device's internal storage, in addition to clearing the
external SDCard.

ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the
device's internal storage ('on the PDA').

The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those
are written to the device's internal storage.

Mitch

Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they
also save on the PDAs themselves?

With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to
both the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't
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In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs.

Thanks,
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··· Le 8 mars 2013 18:05, "Mitch Sundt" a écrit : > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Mitch Sundt wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Sam wrote: > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >

Mitch,

SDCard storage is not always available under the /sdcard path.
Annoyingly, it's up to the manufacturer to return a path when ODK
Collect calls Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory(). In the case
of many Samsung devices, that path is /sdcard/external_sd/.

Yaw

··· On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Mitch Sundt wrote: > Ah, yes, that is an unusual case. Some Samsung tablets have 2 SDCards, one > of which is provided by Samsung; I don't know how widespread that type of > configuration is. > > To clarify, the internal storage on the phone is where you can install your > apps; it is separate from any SDCard(s) that might be present, whether > provided by the manufacturer or supplied by you. A portion of that internal > storage holds the Android operating system and device drivers for the > microphone, speakers, cellular connection, USB connection, etc. > > Internal storage is not visible when you mount your device as a USB drive on > your computer (2.x and below), or plug in as an MVP device (4.x and above). > The only way to see the internal storage is using 'adb shell' and command > line tools. Even then, with the security restrictions on the phone, none of > the internal storage used for storing application data is directly visible > (but this storage is still vulnerable to hacking). For those interested, the > particular areas of concern are under: > > /data/data/[APPLICATION_PACKAGE_NAME] > > e.g., for ODK Collect, > > /data/data/org.odk.collect.android > > Unless the application does something special, this is where all an > application's data will be stored. ODK Collect stores its General Settings > and Admin Settings here. But it doesn't store anything else; other apps may. > > The SDCard(s) storage is always available under the /sdcard path, and that > is what is shared when you mount your device to a laptop. ODK Collect uses > the directory /odk under this path to store its blank forms, filled-in > forms, and processing status ( i.e, /sdcard/odk ). > > Mitch > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Curtis Broderick wrote: >> >> Mitch, >> It seems that some phones have "built-in" SD cards. I do not have an SD >> card in the slot on my phone, but I do have a directory on my phone called >> /sdcard/ and another called /sdcard/external_sd. It is a Samsung Note. I >> don't want to confuse people, but it can be confusing if other phones have >> this same notion of an internal SD card (on which ODK will store its data >> when no physical SD card is in the phone) and an "external" physical card >> for the phone. >> Curtis >> >> >> >> 2013/3/8 Mitch Sundt >>> >>> ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the >>> device's internal storage ('on the PDA'). >>> >>> The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those >>> are written to the device's internal storage. >>> >>> Mitch >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Sam wrote: >>>> >>>> Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they >>>> also save on the PDAs themselves? >>>> >>>> With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to >>>> both the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't required >>>> for us, but would be a nice option. >>>> >>>> In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Sam >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >>>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "ODK Community" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mitch Sundt >>> Software Engineer >>> University of Washington >>> mitchellsundt@gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "ODK Community" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Curtis BRODERICK >> Head of training and user support >> >> >> Tél : + 33(0)1.53.02.40.61 06.15.33.57.37 >> >> ---------------------------EpiConcept--------------------------- >> Systèmes d'Information en Santé >> >> Health Information System >> 47, rue de Charenton - 75012 PARIS >> >> Tel : +33 (0)1 53 02 40 60 Fax : +33 (0)1 53 02 40 62 >> >> -----------------------www.epiconcept.fr------------------------ >> >> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont établis à l'intention >> exclusive de ses destinataires et sont confidentiels. >> >> >> Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci de le détruire et d'en >> avertir l'expéditeur. >> >> The information contained in the Email and any attachments is confidential >> and intended solely and for the attention and use of the >> >> >> named address(es). 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Hi,

We came across this problem with our Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 tablets
the other day.

For a variety of different reasons we replaced the stock Android ROM
with CyanogenMod 9.1.

When no SDCard is installed in the device there is storage available
at the following path:

/mnt/sdcard

This is the "internal SD Card" for want of a better term.

If I put an SD Card into the slot an "external SD Card", it becomes
available at this path:

/mnt/extSDCard

Any application wishing to use the SD Card using the standard API
calls, such as Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory(), always
resolves to the /mnt/sdcard path. Even though more storage is
available on the SD Card put into the slot.

Based on my research this appears to be a common problem now with
devices that include an SD Card slot. The "internal SD Card" is always
used in preference to the "external SD Card".

In the end I found a hack which basically changes the mount points at
the Linux Operating System level to get application to use the
"external SD Card" for storage.

The moral of this story is that "external SD Card" storage appears to
be available in less and less devices these days, and those devices
that include an external SD Card may not make it easy to actually use
it.

Hope this helps.

-Corey

··· On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:09 AM, W. Brunette wrote: > Google has changed the design of Android when it comes to external SD > cards. They have changed the protocol to MTP and other oddities that > are causing problems for ODK tools and the ability to even talk about > things. An Android 2.x phone will have different behaviors than an > Android 3.x and Android 4.x phone. > > I can't find the exact post from google doing a quick search but here > is some paraphrasing I found on the internet. > > "MTP is a big improvement over USB mass storage — for devices with > lots of internal memory, a manufacturer no longer needs to come up > with some hard partition between the USB mass storage and internal > storage. Instead, they are all in one partition, with MTP providing > access to the directory of media files that would normally be > available through USB mass storage.This means there is no longer a > need for apps on SD card for such devices, because what used to be the > “internal SD card” is in the same partition as where applications are > stored. The storage on your device can be used for either applications > or media, depending on what you want to put on it. You aren’t stuck > with how much space the manufacturer decided to leave for the two > areas. > > Oh also this means that the media storage doesn’t need to be unmounted > from Android when it is being access through the PC. " > > Also here is another link that documents a discussion with a Google > engineer on the subject. > > http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/18/impromptu-qa-session-with-android-engineer-dan-morrill-brings-to-light-reasons-behind-galaxy-nexus-lack-of-usb-mass-storage/ > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Curtis Broderick wrote: >> Mitch, >> It seems that some phones have "built-in" SD cards. I do not have an SD card >> in the slot on my phone, but I do have a directory on my phone called >> /sdcard/ and another called /sdcard/external_sd. It is a Samsung Note. I >> don't want to confuse people, but it can be confusing if other phones have >> this same notion of an internal SD card (on which ODK will store its data >> when no physical SD card is in the phone) and an "external" physical card >> for the phone. >> Curtis >> >> >> >> 2013/3/8 Mitch Sundt >>> >>> ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the >>> device's internal storage ('on the PDA'). >>> >>> The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those are >>> written to the device's internal storage. >>> >>> Mitch >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Sam wrote: >>>> >>>> Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do they >>>> also save on the PDAs themselves? >>>> >>>> With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to both >>>> the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't required for >>>> us, but would be a nice option. >>>> >>>> In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Sam >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >>>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "ODK Community" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mitch Sundt >>> Software Engineer >>> University of Washington >>> mitchellsundt@gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "ODK Community" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Curtis BRODERICK >> Head of training and user support >> >> Tél : + 33(0)1.53.02.40.61 06.15.33.57.37 >> >> ---------------------------EpiConcept--------------------------- >> Systèmes d'Information en Santé >> Health Information System >> 47, rue de Charenton - 75012 PARIS >> >> Tel : +33 (0)1 53 02 40 60 Fax : +33 (0)1 53 02 40 62 >> -----------------------www.epiconcept.fr------------------------ >> >> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont établis à l'intention exclusive >> de ses destinataires et sont confidentiels. >> >> Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci de le détruire et d'en avertir >> l'expéditeur. >> >> The information contained in the Email and any attachments is confidential >> and intended solely and for the attention and use of the >> >> named address(es). 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Thanks for the correction.

··· On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Yaw Anokwa wrote:

Mitch,

SDCard storage is not always available under the /sdcard path.
Annoyingly, it's up to the manufacturer to return a path when ODK
Collect calls Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory(). In the case
of many Samsung devices, that path is /sdcard/external_sd/.

Yaw

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Mitch Sundt mitchellsundt@gmail.com wrote:

Ah, yes, that is an unusual case. Some Samsung tablets have 2 SDCards,
one
of which is provided by Samsung; I don't know how widespread that type of
configuration is.

To clarify, the internal storage on the phone is where you can install
your
apps; it is separate from any SDCard(s) that might be present, whether
provided by the manufacturer or supplied by you. A portion of that
internal
storage holds the Android operating system and device drivers for the
microphone, speakers, cellular connection, USB connection, etc.

Internal storage is not visible when you mount your device as a USB
drive on
your computer (2.x and below), or plug in as an MVP device (4.x and
above).
The only way to see the internal storage is using 'adb shell' and command
line tools. Even then, with the security restrictions on the phone, none
of
the internal storage used for storing application data is directly
visible
(but this storage is still vulnerable to hacking). For those interested,
the
particular areas of concern are under:

/data/data/[APPLICATION_PACKAGE_NAME]

e.g., for ODK Collect,

/data/data/org.odk.collect.android

Unless the application does something special, this is where all an
application's data will be stored. ODK Collect stores its General
Settings
and Admin Settings here. But it doesn't store anything else; other apps
may.

The SDCard(s) storage is always available under the /sdcard path, and
that
is what is shared when you mount your device to a laptop. ODK Collect
uses
the directory /odk under this path to store its blank forms, filled-in
forms, and processing status ( i.e, /sdcard/odk ).

Mitch

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Curtis Broderick c.broderick@epiconcept.fr wrote:

Mitch,
It seems that some phones have "built-in" SD cards. I do not have an SD
card in the slot on my phone, but I do have a directory on my phone
called

/sdcard/ and another called /sdcard/external_sd. It is a Samsung Note. I
don't want to confuse people, but it can be confusing if other phones
have

this same notion of an internal SD card (on which ODK will store its
data

when no physical SD card is in the phone) and an "external" physical
card

for the phone.
Curtis

2013/3/8 Mitch Sundt mitchellsundt@gmail.com

ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the
device's internal storage ('on the PDA').

The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those
are written to the device's internal storage.

Mitch

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Sam samantha.elghanayan@gmail.com wrote:

Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do
they

also save on the PDAs themselves?

With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to
both the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't
required

for us, but would be a nice option.

In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs.

Thanks,
Sam

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Thanks Corey, that's quite helpful to know.

··· On 3/18/13, Corey Wallis wrote: > Hi, > > We came across this problem with our Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 tablets > the other day. > > For a variety of different reasons we replaced the stock Android ROM > with CyanogenMod 9.1. > > When no SDCard is installed in the device there is storage available > at the following path: > > /mnt/sdcard > > This is the "internal SD Card" for want of a better term. > > If I put an SD Card into the slot an "external SD Card", it becomes > available at this path: > > /mnt/extSDCard > > Any application wishing to use the SD Card using the standard API > calls, such as Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory(), always > resolves to the /mnt/sdcard path. Even though more storage is > available on the SD Card put into the slot. > > Based on my research this appears to be a common problem now with > devices that include an SD Card slot. The "internal SD Card" is always > used in preference to the "external SD Card". > > In the end I found a hack which basically changes the mount points at > the Linux Operating System level to get application to use the > "external SD Card" for storage. > > The moral of this story is that "external SD Card" storage appears to > be available in less and less devices these days, and those devices > that include an external SD Card may not make it easy to actually use > it. > > Hope this helps. > > -Corey > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:09 AM, W. Brunette wrote: >> Google has changed the design of Android when it comes to external SD >> cards. They have changed the protocol to MTP and other oddities that >> are causing problems for ODK tools and the ability to even talk about >> things. An Android 2.x phone will have different behaviors than an >> Android 3.x and Android 4.x phone. >> >> I can't find the exact post from google doing a quick search but here >> is some paraphrasing I found on the internet. >> >> "MTP is a big improvement over USB mass storage — for devices with >> lots of internal memory, a manufacturer no longer needs to come up >> with some hard partition between the USB mass storage and internal >> storage. Instead, they are all in one partition, with MTP providing >> access to the directory of media files that would normally be >> available through USB mass storage.This means there is no longer a >> need for apps on SD card for such devices, because what used to be the >> “internal SD card” is in the same partition as where applications are >> stored. The storage on your device can be used for either applications >> or media, depending on what you want to put on it. You aren’t stuck >> with how much space the manufacturer decided to leave for the two >> areas. >> >> Oh also this means that the media storage doesn’t need to be unmounted >> from Android when it is being access through the PC. " >> >> Also here is another link that documents a discussion with a Google >> engineer on the subject. >> >> http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/18/impromptu-qa-session-with-android-engineer-dan-morrill-brings-to-light-reasons-behind-galaxy-nexus-lack-of-usb-mass-storage/ >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Curtis Broderick wrote: >>> Mitch, >>> It seems that some phones have "built-in" SD cards. I do not have an SD >>> card >>> in the slot on my phone, but I do have a directory on my phone called >>> /sdcard/ and another called /sdcard/external_sd. It is a Samsung Note. I >>> don't want to confuse people, but it can be confusing if other phones >>> have >>> this same notion of an internal SD card (on which ODK will store its >>> data >>> when no physical SD card is in the phone) and an "external" physical >>> card >>> for the phone. >>> Curtis >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/3/8 Mitch Sundt >>>> >>>> ODK Collect only writes the survey data to the SDCard; never to the >>>> device's internal storage ('on the PDA'). >>>> >>>> The 'General Settings' and 'Admin Settings' are the exception -- those >>>> are >>>> written to the device's internal storage. >>>> >>>> Mitch >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Sam wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Do finalized surveys save only on external memory (SD cards) or do >>>>> they >>>>> also save on the PDAs themselves? >>>>> >>>>> With previous surveys we have conducted, we have always backed up to >>>>> both >>>>> the PDA itself, as well as to SD cards in the PDAs. This isn't required >>>>> for >>>>> us, but would be a nice option. >>>>> >>>>> In case it varies by PDA, we are using LG E720 PDAs. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Sam >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >>>>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "ODK Community" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an >>>>> email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mitch Sundt >>>> Software Engineer >>>> University of Washington >>>> mitchellsundt@gmail.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >>>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "ODK Community" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an >>>> email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Curtis BRODERICK >>> Head of training and user support >>> >>> Tél : + 33(0)1.53.02.40.61 06.15.33.57.37 >>> >>> ---------------------------EpiConcept--------------------------- >>> Systèmes d'Information en Santé >>> Health Information System >>> 47, rue de Charenton - 75012 PARIS >>> >>> Tel : +33 (0)1 53 02 40 60 Fax : +33 (0)1 53 02 40 62 >>> -----------------------www.epiconcept.fr------------------------ >>> >>> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont établis à l'intention >>> exclusive >>> de ses destinataires et sont confidentiels. >>> >>> Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci de le détruire et d'en >>> avertir >>> l'expéditeur. >>> >>> The information contained in the Email and any attachments is >>> confidential >>> and intended solely and for the attention and use of the >>> >>> named address(es). 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