How can we rank household members according to their sex and age in descending order

Hi Team,

Could you please help me to rank household members according to their sex and age in descending order in ODK forms. ie males in the order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest) and then the females in order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest).
Is there any function in XLSForm to achieve this?

Ordering like this is not easy to do in XLSForm and ODK Collect.

If you can place a limit on the number of people you want to place in order
(e.g., no more than 5), then you could do something like the "Biggest N of
Set" form, which uses techniques described here:
https://opendatakit.org/help/form-design/#xpath_expressions

If possible, this ranking is best done during data analysis. The data
collection effort (survey design) should avoid imposing ordering like this.

··· On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:15 AM, wrote:

Hi Team,

Could you please help me to rank household members according to their sex
and age in descending order in ODK forms. ie males in the order of
decreasing age(oldest to youngest) and then the females in order of
decreasing age(oldest to youngest).
Is there any function in XLSForm to achieve this?

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··· On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Ali Helmi wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am new to ODK. Could you please help me to know how to select a random > number out of a total number of the HH members? In other words, if the total > number of the HH members is 7, we want tp select a random number/member out > of 1 to 7, how can we implement this in XLSForm? > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > All the Best, > > Ali Helmi > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 1:15:44 PM UTC+3, dhanyamol.3...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hi Team, >> >> Could you please help me to rank household members according to their sex >> and age in descending order in ODK forms. ie males in the order of >> decreasing age(oldest to youngest) and then the females in order of >> decreasing age(oldest to youngest). >> Is there any function in XLSForm to achieve this? > > -- > -- > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ODK Community" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Hi Team,

Thank you for your reply. Is it possible to do the ranking using KISH method?

··· On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:32:33 PM UTC+5:30, Mitch Sundt wrote: > Ordering like this is not easy to do in XLSForm and ODK Collect. > > > If you can place a limit on the number of people you want to place in order (e.g., no more than 5), then you could do something like the "Biggest N of Set" form, which uses techniques described here: https://opendatakit.org/help/form-design/#xpath_expressions > > > > If possible, this ranking is best done during data analysis. The data collection effort (survey design) should avoid imposing ordering like this. > > > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:15 AM, wrote: > Hi Team, > > > > Could you please help me to rank household members according to their sex and age in descending order in ODK forms. ie males in the order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest) and then the females in order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest). > > Is there any function in XLSForm to achieve this? > > > > -- > > -- > > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ODK Community" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > Mitch Sundt > Software Engineer > University of Washington > mitche...@gmail.com

My understanding of the KISH method is that you use a pre-assigned
table of random numbers? Yes, you could build something like that by
loading the table in a CSV.
http://xlsform.org/#how-to-pull-data-from-csv for a how to.

Yaw

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On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:29 AM, dhanyamol.300x9.zyxware@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Team,

Thank you for your reply. Is it possible to do the ranking using KISH method?

On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:32:33 PM UTC+5:30, Mitch Sundt wrote:

Ordering like this is not easy to do in XLSForm and ODK Collect.

If you can place a limit on the number of people you want to place in order (e.g., no more than 5), then you could do something like the "Biggest N of Set" form, which uses techniques described here: https://opendatakit.org/help/form-design/#xpath_expressions

If possible, this ranking is best done during data analysis. The data collection effort (survey design) should avoid imposing ordering like this.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:15 AM, dhanyamol.3...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Team,

Could you please help me to rank household members according to their sex and age in descending order in ODK forms. ie males in the order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest) and then the females in order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest).

Is there any function in XLSForm to achieve this?

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Has anyone pulled this off yet? What happens after you load the csv table? Here's a quick snapshot of a kish grid:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
HH1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
HH2 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 1
HH3 3 2 1 3 2 1 3 2 1
HH4 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2
HH5 5 4 3 2 1 5 4 3 2

To use Kish, you need two more pieces of information in addition to the table - some kind of random number from 1 - 9(which can be generated on its own but is usually taken as the last number on the questionnaire ID number) and you also need an itemized list of all the members of the household you want to select (which should be easy enough).

I'm knew to ODK but can it easily generate a random number from 1-9? The form would then need to take this number and match it with the first row of the table e.g. if my random number is 3 - I would then go to the 4th column that should be titled "3". Then, let's say I only have 3 members of the HH - I would go down to the last row with a HH member - in this case - the 4th row (the one corresponding to the 3rd HH member). That gives me the number "1"
The first HH member - corresponding to number 1 - is the person I would select for the interview.

So how could I set up this form? After the random number (or questionnaire number is pulled), what code do I use to match it with the corresponding column title, then count down to the last row with a HH entry, pull that number and count again down that number of rows (+1) to select that HH member?
Thanks!
Corey

··· On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 1:45:51 PM UTC+3, Yaw Anokwa wrote: > My understanding of the KISH method is that you use a pre-assigned > table of random numbers? Yes, you could build something like that by > loading the table in a CSV. > http://xlsform.org/#how-to-pull-data-from-csv for a how to. > > Yaw > -- > Need ODK consultants? Nafundi provides form design, server setup, > in-field training, and software development for ODK. Go to > https://nafundi.com to get started. > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:29 AM, wrote: > > Hi Team, > > > > Thank you for your reply. Is it possible to do the ranking using KISH method? > > > > > > On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:32:33 PM UTC+5:30, Mitch Sundt wrote: > >> Ordering like this is not easy to do in XLSForm and ODK Collect. > >> > >> > >> If you can place a limit on the number of people you want to place in order (e.g., no more than 5), then you could do something like the "Biggest N of Set" form, which uses techniques described here: https://opendatakit.org/help/form-design/#xpath_expressions > >> > >> > >> > >> If possible, this ranking is best done during data analysis. The data collection effort (survey design) should avoid imposing ordering like this. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:15 AM, wrote: > >> Hi Team, > >> > >> > >> > >> Could you please help me to rank household members according to their sex and age in descending order in ODK forms. ie males in the order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest) and then the females in order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest). > >> > >> Is there any function in XLSForm to achieve this? > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >> > >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >> > >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ODK Community" group. > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >> > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Mitch Sundt > >> Software Engineer > >> University of Washington > >> mitche...@gmail.com > > > > -- > > -- > > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ODK Community" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Hi Corey,

I've attached an example to get you started.

Yaw

kish.xlsx (32.6 KB)

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data.csv (131 Bytes)

··· On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:46 PM, wrote: > Has anyone pulled this off yet? What happens after you load the csv table? Here's a quick snapshot of a kish grid: > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > HH1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 > HH2 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 1 > HH3 3 2 1 3 2 1 3 2 1 > HH4 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 > HH5 5 4 3 2 1 5 4 3 2 > > > To use Kish, you need two more pieces of information in addition to the table - some kind of random number from 1 - 9(which can be generated on its own but is usually taken as the last number on the questionnaire ID number) and you also need an itemized list of all the members of the household you want to select (which should be easy enough). > > I'm knew to ODK but can it easily generate a random number from 1-9? The form would then need to take this number and match it with the first row of the table e.g. if my random number is 3 - I would then go to the 4th column that should be titled "3". Then, let's say I only have 3 members of the HH - I would go down to the last row with a HH member - in this case - the 4th row (the one corresponding to the 3rd HH member). That gives me the number "1" > The first HH member - corresponding to number 1 - is the person I would select for the interview. > > So how could I set up this form? After the random number (or questionnaire number is pulled), what code do I use to match it with the corresponding column title, then count down to the last row with a HH entry, pull that number and count again down that number of rows (+1) to select that HH member? > Thanks! > Corey > > > > On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 1:45:51 PM UTC+3, Yaw Anokwa wrote: >> My understanding of the KISH method is that you use a pre-assigned >> table of random numbers? Yes, you could build something like that by >> loading the table in a CSV. >> http://xlsform.org/#how-to-pull-data-from-csv for a how to. >> >> Yaw >> -- >> Need ODK consultants? Nafundi provides form design, server setup, >> in-field training, and software development for ODK. Go to >> https://nafundi.com to get started. >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:29 AM, wrote: >> > Hi Team, >> > >> > Thank you for your reply. Is it possible to do the ranking using KISH method? >> > >> > >> > On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:32:33 PM UTC+5:30, Mitch Sundt wrote: >> >> Ordering like this is not easy to do in XLSForm and ODK Collect. >> >> >> >> >> >> If you can place a limit on the number of people you want to place in order (e.g., no more than 5), then you could do something like the "Biggest N of Set" form, which uses techniques described here: https://opendatakit.org/help/form-design/#xpath_expressions >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If possible, this ranking is best done during data analysis. The data collection effort (survey design) should avoid imposing ordering like this. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:15 AM, wrote: >> >> Hi Team, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Could you please help me to rank household members according to their sex and age in descending order in ODK forms. ie males in the order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest) and then the females in order of decreasing age(oldest to youngest). >> >> >> >> Is there any function in XLSForm to achieve this? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ODK Community" group. >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >> >> >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Mitch Sundt >> >> Software Engineer >> >> University of Washington >> >> mitche...@gmail.com >> > >> > -- >> > -- >> > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> > >> > --- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ODK Community" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > -- > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ODK Community" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Thanks! Let me give it a try

··· On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Yaw Anokwa wrote:

Hi Corey,

I've attached an example to get you started.

Yaw

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:46 PM, carrollpatterson@gmail.com wrote:

Has anyone pulled this off yet? What happens after you load the csv
table? Here's a quick snapshot of a kish grid:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
HH1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
HH2 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 1
HH3 3 2 1 3 2 1 3 2 1
HH4 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2
HH5 5 4 3 2 1 5 4 3 2

To use Kish, you need two more pieces of information in addition to the
table - some kind of random number from 1 - 9(which can be generated on its
own but is usually taken as the last number on the questionnaire ID number)
and you also need an itemized list of all the members of the household you
want to select (which should be easy enough).

I'm knew to ODK but can it easily generate a random number from 1-9?
The form would then need to take this number and match it with the first
row of the table e.g. if my random number is 3 - I would then go to the 4th
column that should be titled "3". Then, let's say I only have 3 members
of the HH - I would go down to the last row with a HH member - in this case

  • the 4th row (the one corresponding to the 3rd HH member). That gives me
    the number "1"

The first HH member - corresponding to number 1 - is the person I would
select for the interview.

So how could I set up this form? After the random number (or
questionnaire number is pulled), what code do I use to match it with the
corresponding column title, then count down to the last row with a HH
entry, pull that number and count again down that number of rows (+1) to
select that HH member?
Thanks!
Corey

On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 1:45:51 PM UTC+3, Yaw Anokwa wrote:

My understanding of the KISH method is that you use a pre-assigned
table of random numbers? Yes, you could build something like that by
loading the table in a CSV.
http://xlsform.org/#how-to-pull-data-from-csv for a how to.

Yaw

Need ODK consultants? Nafundi provides form design, server setup,
in-field training, and software development for ODK. Go to
https://nafundi.com to get started.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:29 AM, dhanyamol.300x9.zyxware@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Team,

Thank you for your reply. Is it possible to do the ranking using KISH
method?

On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:32:33 PM UTC+5:30, Mitch Sundt wrote:

Ordering like this is not easy to do in XLSForm and ODK Collect.

If you can place a limit on the number of people you want to place
in order (e.g., no more than 5), then you could do something like the
"Biggest N of Set" form, which uses techniques described here:
https://opendatakit.org/help/form-design/#xpath_expressions

If possible, this ranking is best done during data analysis. The
data collection effort (survey design) should avoid imposing ordering like
this.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:15 AM, dhanyamol.3...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Team,

Could you please help me to rank household members according to
their sex and age in descending order in ODK forms. ie males in the order
of decreasing age(oldest to youngest) and then the females in order of
decreasing age(oldest to youngest).

Is there any function in XLSForm to achieve this?

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Good afternoon Friends,
I have designed two separate forms. I have managed to load one to ODK
collect. However, i cant load the other one on account that the second
questionnaire as similar credentials or characteristics to the one i
uploaded first. What should i do to get to load the second form too??
Thanks
Collins

··· On 25 November 2016 at 10:48, Carroll Patterson wrote:

Thanks! Let me give it a try

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Yaw Anokwa yanokwa@nafundi.com wrote:

Hi Corey,

I've attached an example to get you started.

Yaw

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:46 PM, carrollpatterson@gmail.com wrote:

Has anyone pulled this off yet? What happens after you load the csv
table? Here's a quick snapshot of a kish grid:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9
HH1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1
HH2 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2
1
HH3 3 2 1 3 2 1 3 2
1
HH4 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1
2
HH5 5 4 3 2 1 5 4 3
2

To use Kish, you need two more pieces of information in addition to the
table - some kind of random number from 1 - 9(which can be generated on its
own but is usually taken as the last number on the questionnaire ID number)
and you also need an itemized list of all the members of the household you
want to select (which should be easy enough).

I'm knew to ODK but can it easily generate a random number from 1-9?
The form would then need to take this number and match it with the first
row of the table e.g. if my random number is 3 - I would then go to the 4th
column that should be titled "3". Then, let's say I only have 3 members
of the HH - I would go down to the last row with a HH member - in this case

  • the 4th row (the one corresponding to the 3rd HH member). That gives me
    the number "1"

The first HH member - corresponding to number 1 - is the person I would
select for the interview.

So how could I set up this form? After the random number (or
questionnaire number is pulled), what code do I use to match it with the
corresponding column title, then count down to the last row with a HH
entry, pull that number and count again down that number of rows (+1) to
select that HH member?
Thanks!
Corey

On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 1:45:51 PM UTC+3, Yaw Anokwa wrote:

My understanding of the KISH method is that you use a pre-assigned
table of random numbers? Yes, you could build something like that by
loading the table in a CSV.
http://xlsform.org/#how-to-pull-data-from-csv for a how to.

Yaw

Need ODK consultants? Nafundi provides form design, server setup,
in-field training, and software development for ODK. Go to
https://nafundi.com to get started.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:29 AM, dhanyamol.300x9.zyxware@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Team,

Thank you for your reply. Is it possible to do the ranking using
KISH method?

On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:32:33 PM UTC+5:30, Mitch Sundt wrote:

Ordering like this is not easy to do in XLSForm and ODK Collect.

If you can place a limit on the number of people you want to place
in order (e.g., no more than 5), then you could do something like the
"Biggest N of Set" form, which uses techniques described here:
https://opendatakit.org/help/form-design/#xpath_expressions

If possible, this ranking is best done during data analysis. The
data collection effort (survey design) should avoid imposing ordering like
this.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:15 AM, dhanyamol.3...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Team,

Could you please help me to rank household members according to
their sex and age in descending order in ODK forms. ie males in the order
of decreasing age(oldest to youngest) and then the females in order of
decreasing age(oldest to youngest).

Is there any function in XLSForm to achieve this?

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