Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark as
finished? I have an issue where users have a hard time remembering to
check the box and therefore can't submit their data without going back
into each survey.
Thanks!
Alex
We had the same problem. Our users are often students who have a few hours
training on the phone and are then sent out to collect data. When they
return one of the chores for the administrator is attempting to track down
the surveys on the phones that were finished but not marked complete.
To address this I modified the final save screen to remove the checkbox and
rename the button "Save as complete and exit". The assumption being that
if the user gets to the end of the survey then it is probably complete. As
part of our data analysis we winnow out any surveys that might have been
incorrectly filled and submitted.
If you had a sophisticated user who had sufficient training to make the
decision on what was complete or not then they can still, at any stage, exit
and save the survey as incomplete.
Love to see this patch make it into the official release.
regards
Neil
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Alex Pavluck wrote:Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark as
finished? I have an issue where users have a hard time remembering to
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neil,
i don't think removing the checkbox at the end is ideal, but we can
certainly default to mark as complete. have others seen this problem
in the field? now's your chance to be heard...
yaw
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 14:47, Neil Penman wrote: > We had the same problem. Our users are often students who have a few hours > training on the phone and are then sent out to collect data. When they > return one of the chores for the administrator is attempting to track down > the surveys on the phones that were finished but not marked complete. > > To address this I modified the final save screen to remove the checkbox and > rename the button "Save as complete and exit". The assumption being that > if the user gets to the end of the survey then it is probably complete. As > part of our data analysis we winnow out any surveys that might have been > incorrectly filled and submitted. > > If you had a sophisticated user who had sufficient training to make the > decision on what was complete or not then they can still, at any stage, exit > and save the survey as incomplete. > > Love to see this patch make it into the official release. > > regards > > Neil > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Alex Pavluck wrote: >> >> Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark as >> finished? I have an issue where users have a hard time remembering to >> check the box and therefore can't submit their data without going back >> into each survey. >> >> Thanks! >> Alex >> >> -- >> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > -- > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >I agree with yaw that this is your chance to be heard. We have heard
requests to have it not default as checked and now heard requests to
have it checked as default. I put together a quick poll (1 question)
to let your voice be heard.
Click the link and cast your vote if you have a preference, otherwise
feel free to do nothing.
ttps://catalyst.uw.edu/quickpoll/vote/wbrunett/5875
Waylon
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Yaw Anokwa wrote: > neil, > > i don't think removing the checkbox at the end is ideal, but we can > certainly default to mark as complete. have others seen this problem > in the field? now's your chance to be heard... > > yaw > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 14:47, Neil Penman wrote: >> We had the same problem. Our users are often students who have a few hours >> training on the phone and are then sent out to collect data. When they >> return one of the chores for the administrator is attempting to track down >> the surveys on the phones that were finished but not marked complete. >> >> To address this I modified the final save screen to remove the checkbox and >> rename the button "Save as complete and exit". The assumption being that >> if the user gets to the end of the survey then it is probably complete. As >> part of our data analysis we winnow out any surveys that might have been >> incorrectly filled and submitted. >> >> If you had a sophisticated user who had sufficient training to make the >> decision on what was complete or not then they can still, at any stage, exit >> and save the survey as incomplete. >> >> Love to see this patch make it into the official release. >> >> regards >> >> Neil >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Alex Pavluck wrote: >>> >>> Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark as >>> finished? I have an issue where users have a hard time remembering to >>> check the box and therefore can't submit their data without going back >>> into each survey. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Alex >>> >>> -- >>> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> >> -- >> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> > > -- > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >Having it automatically checked would be useful for the type of
surveys that I run (self-completed questionnaires where those
interacting with ODK are students who have limited experience using
the phones and ODK). There are no scenarios in which someone would get
to the end of a survey and we would not want to save the form as
completed. If someone does not want to save a form as complete, they
can just exit out of the form at any time. Having the checkbox
unchecked requires an extra click for every survey and could create
some data management confusion once our study in South Africa gets up
to full scale (about 2,000 surveys per month).
Zak
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On Jul 27, 4:59 am, Yaw Anokwa wrote: > neil, > > i don't think removing the checkbox at the end is ideal, but we can > certainly default to mark as complete. have others seen this problem > in the field? now's your chance to be heard... > > yaw > > > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 14:47, Neil Penman wrote: > > We had the same problem. Our users are often students who have a few hours > > training on the phone and are then sent out to collect data. When they > > return one of the chores for the administrator is attempting to track down > > the surveys on the phones that were finished but not marked complete. > > > To address this I modified the final save screen to remove the checkbox and > > rename the button "Save as complete and exit". The assumption being that > > if the user gets to the end of the survey then it is probably complete. As > > part of our data analysis we winnow out any surveys that might have been > > incorrectly filled and submitted. > > > If you had a sophisticated user who had sufficient training to make the > > decision on what was complete or not then they can still, at any stage, exit > > and save the survey as incomplete. > > > Love to see this patch make it into the official release. > > > regards > > > Neil > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Alex Pavluck wrote: > > >> Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark as > >> finished? I have an issue where users have a hard time remembering to > >> check the box and therefore can't submit their data without going back > >> into each survey. > > >> Thanks! > >> Alex > > >> -- > >> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >> Options:http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > > -- > > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > Options:http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=enI voted yes for checked. Here is my rationale:
If users do complete the form (i.e. there are answers to all required
fields), then they should not have to take another action to indicate
completed. Because this part of the app is not easily localized, having it
unchecked requires explaining the englaish. On the other hand, if the form
is technically completed, but they have more data to collect, then they have
the option to uncheck the box and do more data collection or editing.
Having a check box for completed indicates to the user that the form is
nominally "completed" .
- James
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:40 PM, W. Brunette wrote:I agree with yaw that this is your chance to be heard. We have heard
requests to have it not default as checked and now heard requests to
have it checked as default. I put together a quick poll (1 question)
to let your voice be heard.Click the link and cast your vote if you have a preference, otherwise
feel free to do nothing.ttps://catalyst.uw.edu/quickpoll/vote/wbrunett/5875
Waylon
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Yaw Anokwa yanokwa@gmail.com wrote:
neil,
i don't think removing the checkbox at the end is ideal, but we can
certainly default to mark as complete. have others seen this problem
in the field? now's your chance to be heard...yaw
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 14:47, Neil Penman neilpenman@gmail.com wrote:
We had the same problem. Our users are often students who have a few
hourstraining on the phone and are then sent out to collect data. When they
return one of the chores for the administrator is attempting to track
downthe surveys on the phones that were finished but not marked complete.
To address this I modified the final save screen to remove the checkbox
andrename the button "Save as complete and exit". The assumption being
thatif the user gets to the end of the survey then it is probably complete.
Aspart of our data analysis we winnow out any surveys that might have been
incorrectly filled and submitted.If you had a sophisticated user who had sufficient training to make the
decision on what was complete or not then they can still, at any stage,
exitand save the survey as incomplete.
Love to see this patch make it into the official release.
regards
Neil
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Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark as
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When I voted yesterday, it was 5 to 0 in favor of the check. However,
I would suggest that since it is the lesser common act to have your
form unfinished, then have a check box item at the end saying, "Mark
form as unfinished" and it is unchecked. The result is the same, it is
just that you are requestion a clear and overt action by the user to
signify that indeed, for this form, I want it to be considered
"unfinished" as opposed to the normal, which you just normally assume
it is finished. You put a sign on the bathroom door saying you are
"not finished, nobody come in", not the other way around.
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On Jul 28, 10:23 am, Zak Kaufman wrote: > Having it automatically checked would be useful for the type of > surveys that I run (self-completed questionnaires where those > interacting with ODK are students who have limited experience using > the phones and ODK). There are no scenarios in which someone would get > to the end of a survey and we would not want to save the form as > completed. If someone does not want to save a form as complete, they > can just exit out of the form at any time. Having the checkbox > unchecked requires an extra click for every survey and could create > some data management confusion once our study in South Africa gets up > to full scale (about 2,000 surveys per month). > > Zak > > On Jul 27, 4:59 am, Yaw Anokwa wrote: > > > > > > > > > neil, > > > i don't think removing the checkbox at the end is ideal, but we can > > certainly default to mark as complete. have others seen this problem > > in the field? now's your chance to be heard... > > > yaw > > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 14:47, Neil Penman wrote: > > > We had the same problem. Our users are often students who have a few hours > > > training on the phone and are then sent out to collect data. When they > > > return one of the chores for the administrator is attempting to track down > > > the surveys on the phones that were finished but not marked complete. > > > > To address this I modified the final save screen to remove the checkbox and > > > rename the button "Save as complete and exit". The assumption being that > > > if the user gets to the end of the survey then it is probably complete. As > > > part of our data analysis we winnow out any surveys that might have been > > > incorrectly filled and submitted. > > > > If you had a sophisticated user who had sufficient training to make the > > > decision on what was complete or not then they can still, at any stage, exit > > > and save the survey as incomplete. > > > > Love to see this patch make it into the official release. > > > > regards > > > > Neil > > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Alex Pavluck wrote: > > > >> Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark as > > >> finished? I have an issue where users have a hard time remembering to > > >> check the box and therefore can't submit their data without going back > > >> into each survey. > > > >> Thanks! > > >> Alex > > > >> -- > > >> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > > >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > >> Options:http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > > > -- > > > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > > > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > Options:http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=enThat brings up an interesting redesign:
When you reach the end of the form, run the validation logic.
If validation succeeds, display a "mark as complete" checkbox (with it
checked) and a "Save Form and Exit" button.
If validation fails, display description of the error, a "jump to problem"
button and a "save incomplete form" button.
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On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:34 AM, James Dailey wrote:I voted yes for checked. Here is my rationale:
If users do complete the form (i.e. there are answers to all required
fields), then they should not have to take another action to indicate
completed. Because this part of the app is not easily localized, having it
unchecked requires explaining the englaish. On the other hand, if the form
is technically completed, but they have more data to collect, then they have
the option to uncheck the box and do more data collection or editing.
Having a check box for completed indicates to the user that the form is
nominally "completed" .
- James
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:40 PM, W. Brunette wbrunette@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with yaw that this is your chance to be heard. We have heard
requests to have it not default as checked and now heard requests to
have it checked as default. I put together a quick poll (1 question)
to let your voice be heard.Click the link and cast your vote if you have a preference, otherwise
feel free to do nothing.ttps://catalyst.uw.edu/quickpoll/vote/wbrunett/5875
Waylon
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Yaw Anokwa yanokwa@gmail.com wrote:
neil,
i don't think removing the checkbox at the end is ideal, but we can
certainly default to mark as complete. have others seen this problem
in the field? now's your chance to be heard...yaw
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 14:47, Neil Penman neilpenman@gmail.com wrote:
We had the same problem. Our users are often students who have a few
hourstraining on the phone and are then sent out to collect data. When they
return one of the chores for the administrator is attempting to track
downthe surveys on the phones that were finished but not marked complete.
To address this I modified the final save screen to remove the checkbox
andrename the button "Save as complete and exit". The assumption being
thatif the user gets to the end of the survey then it is probably
complete. Aspart of our data analysis we winnow out any surveys that might have
beenincorrectly filled and submitted.
If you had a sophisticated user who had sufficient training to make the
decision on what was complete or not then they can still, at any stage,
exitand save the survey as incomplete.
Love to see this patch make it into the official release.
regards
Neil
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Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark as
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thanks for the feedback, everyone. the votes were unanimously in favor
of some sort of "default to finished" i'll chew it over today and try
to get it into 1.1.7.
track the bug at http://code.google.com/p/opendatakit/issues/detail?id=271
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 08:25, Curtis Broderick wrote: > When I voted yesterday, it was 5 to 0 in favor of the check. However, > I would suggest that since it is the lesser common act to have your > form unfinished, then have a check box item at the end saying, "Mark > form as unfinished" and it is unchecked. The result is the same, it is > just that you are requestion a clear and overt action by the user to > signify that indeed, for this form, I want it to be considered > "unfinished" as opposed to the normal, which you just normally assume > it is finished. You put a sign on the bathroom door saying you are > "not finished, nobody come in", not the other way around. > > On Jul 28, 10:23 am, Zak Kaufman wrote: >> Having it automatically checked would be useful for the type of >> surveys that I run (self-completed questionnaires where those >> interacting with ODK are students who have limited experience using >> the phones and ODK). There are no scenarios in which someone would get >> to the end of a survey and we would not want to save the form as >> completed. If someone does not want to save a form as complete, they >> can just exit out of the form at any time. Having the checkbox >> unchecked requires an extra click for every survey and could create >> some data management confusion once our study in South Africa gets up >> to full scale (about 2,000 surveys per month). >> >> Zak >> >> On Jul 27, 4:59 am, Yaw Anokwa wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > neil, >> >> > i don't think removing the checkbox at the end is ideal, but we can >> > certainly default to mark as complete. have others seen this problem >> > in the field? now's your chance to be heard... >> >> > yaw >> >> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 14:47, Neil Penman wrote: >> > > We had the same problem. Our users are often students who have a few hours >> > > training on the phone and are then sent out to collect data. When they >> > > return one of the chores for the administrator is attempting to track down >> > > the surveys on the phones that were finished but not marked complete. >> >> > > To address this I modified the final save screen to remove the checkbox and >> > > rename the button "Save as complete and exit". The assumption being that >> > > if the user gets to the end of the survey then it is probably complete. As >> > > part of our data analysis we winnow out any surveys that might have been >> > > incorrectly filled and submitted. >> >> > > If you had a sophisticated user who had sufficient training to make the >> > > decision on what was complete or not then they can still, at any stage, exit >> > > and save the survey as incomplete. >> >> > > Love to see this patch make it into the official release. >> >> > > regards >> >> > > Neil >> >> > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Alex Pavluck wrote: >> >> > >> Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark as >> > >> finished? I have an issue where users have a hard time remembering to >> > >> check the box and therefore can't submit their data without going back >> > >> into each survey. >> >> > >> Thanks! >> > >> Alex >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >> > >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> > >> Options:http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> >> > > -- >> > > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >> > > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> > > Options:http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > -- > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >Let me extend Mitch's idea with a further suggestion. Wouldn't it also be
useful to have this feature for each major section of a questionnaire (where
section breaks are defined by the user)?
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On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Mitch Sundt wrote:That brings up an interesting redesign:
When you reach the end of the form, run the validation logic.
If validation succeeds, display a "mark as complete" checkbox (with it
checked) and a "Save Form and Exit" button.
If validation fails, display description of the error, a "jump to problem"
button and a "save incomplete form" button.On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:34 AM, James Dailey jamespdailey@gmail.comwrote:
I voted yes for checked. Here is my rationale:
If users do complete the form (i.e. there are answers to all required
fields), then they should not have to take another action to indicate
completed. Because this part of the app is not easily localized, having it
unchecked requires explaining the englaish. On the other hand, if the form
is technically completed, but they have more data to collect, then they have
the option to uncheck the box and do more data collection or editing.
Having a check box for completed indicates to the user that the form is
nominally "completed" .
- James
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:40 PM, W. Brunette wbrunette@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with yaw that this is your chance to be heard. We have heard
requests to have it not default as checked and now heard requests to
have it checked as default. I put together a quick poll (1 question)
to let your voice be heard.Click the link and cast your vote if you have a preference, otherwise
feel free to do nothing.ttps://catalyst.uw.edu/quickpoll/vote/wbrunett/5875
Waylon
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Yaw Anokwa yanokwa@gmail.com wrote:
neil,
i don't think removing the checkbox at the end is ideal, but we can
certainly default to mark as complete. have others seen this problem
in the field? now's your chance to be heard...yaw
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 14:47, Neil Penman neilpenman@gmail.com wrote:
We had the same problem. Our users are often students who have a few
hourstraining on the phone and are then sent out to collect data. When
theyreturn one of the chores for the administrator is attempting to track
downthe surveys on the phones that were finished but not marked complete.
To address this I modified the final save screen to remove the
checkbox andrename the button "Save as complete and exit". The assumption being
thatif the user gets to the end of the survey then it is probably
complete. Aspart of our data analysis we winnow out any surveys that might have
beenincorrectly filled and submitted.
If you had a sophisticated user who had sufficient training to make
thedecision on what was complete or not then they can still, at any
stage, exitand save the survey as incomplete.
Love to see this patch make it into the official release.
regards
Neil
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Is there a way to auto mark as finished or have the default be mark
asfinished? I have an issue where users have a hard time remembering
tocheck the box and therefore can't submit their data without going
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2011, Yaw Anokwa wrote:thanks for the feedback, everyone. the votes were unanimously in favor
of some sort of "default to finished" i'll chew it over today and try
to get it into 1.1.7.track the bug at http://code.google.com/p/opendatakit/issues/detail?id=271
For what my 2 cents are worth, I think two buttons at the end of the
survey, "Finish" and "Postpone", might be the most usable. With the
default still being unfinished until the Finish button is pressed, as the
user may exit the survey early if they press the escape button or their
battery dies, etc.
Cheers, Chris.
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arthur,
what problem are you trying to solve with the intermediate save? is it
a data loss issue? would an auto save work better?
yaw