No connection to Internet - What happens to data

I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not have
internet access on the Android device, will the app store the data locally
until the device has a connection?
In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most of the
time collecting data. When they return to an area that has coverage can
they send all the data with one tap at that time?

That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed.

I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not have
internet access on the Android device, will the app store the data locally
until the device has a connection?
In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most of the
time collecting data. When they return to an area that has coverage can
they send all the data with one tap at that time?

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··· On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >

Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local database.
When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a button to
do the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when they
are in coverage?

Thank you very much for the reply!

··· On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > > That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. > > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop <ma...@worsnop.com> wrote: > > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not have > internet access on the Android device, will the app store the data locally > until the device has a connection? > > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most of the > time collecting data. When they return to an area that has coverage can > they send all the data with one tap at that time? > > > > -- > > -- > > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ODK Community" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >

Each survey is stored individually as an xml file in a folder called
odk/instances on your phone
These are synchronized once you have coverage.
An alternative is to use local sync such as KoBoToolbox, which helps you
sync phones locally (without coverage) using good old cables, grabbing the
xml files, and aggregating them into a csv file that can be analyzed / used

  • we do this a lot for data quality control in the field.
··· On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote:

Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local database.
When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a button to
do the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when they
are in coverage?

Thank you very much for the reply!

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote:

That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed.

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop ma...@worsnop.com wrote:

I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not have
internet access on the Android device, will the app store the data locally
until the device has a connection?
In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most of the
time collecting data. When they return to an area that has coverage can
they send all the data with one tap at that time?

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There are options in the application settings for auto-send as well as
manual send.

··· On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote:

Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local database.
When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a button to
do the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when they
are in coverage?

Thank you very much for the reply!

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote:

That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed.

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop ma...@worsnop.com wrote:

I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not have
internet access on the Android device, will the app store the data locally
until the device has a connection?
In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most of the
time collecting data. When they return to an area that has coverage can
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An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase.

··· On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer wrote: > There are options in the application settings for auto-send as well as > manual send. > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >> >> Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local database. >> When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a button to do >> the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when they are in >> coverage? >> >> Thank you very much for the reply! >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >>> >>> That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: >>> > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not have >>> > internet access on the Android device, will the app store the data locally >>> > until the device has a connection? >>> > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most of the >>> > time collecting data. When they return to an area that has coverage can they >>> > send all the data with one tap at that time? >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -- >>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>> > >>> > --- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > Groups "ODK Community" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> > an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> > >> >> -- >> -- >> Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ODK Community" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > -- > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ODK Community" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I have lots of
processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data inputted I am
guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to the
breifcase by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded?

··· On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > > An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase. > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer <sa...@saadaan.com> wrote: > > There are options in the application settings for auto-send as well as > > manual send. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop <ma...@worsnop.com> wrote: > >> > >> Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local database. > >> When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a button > to do > >> the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when they > are in > >> coverage? > >> > >> Thank you very much for the reply! > >> > >> > >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >>> > >>> That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >>> > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not have > >>> > internet access on the Android device, will the app store the data > locally > >>> > until the device has a connection? > >>> > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most of > the > >>> > time collecting data. When they return to an area that has coverage > can they > >>> > send all the data with one tap at that time? > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > -- > >>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >>> > >>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >>> > > >>> > --- > >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> > Groups "ODK Community" group. > >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >>> > an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >>> > >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >>> > > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >> > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "ODK Community" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >> email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com . > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > -- > > -- > > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "ODK Community" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >

Briefcase runs on a laptop or desktop and can collect "instance" files
(completed forms) from the client devices connected to it. It can
then (under user control) send them over its Internet connection to
the Aggregate server in lieu of the client device doing so. Yes,
there are a couple more user steps.

··· On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I have lots of > processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data inputted I am > guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to the breifcase > by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded? > > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >> >> An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase. >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer wrote: >> > There are options in the application settings for auto-send as well as >> > manual send. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >> >> >> >> Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local database. >> >> When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a button >> >> to do >> >> the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when they >> >> are in >> >> coverage? >> >> >> >> Thank you very much for the reply! >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >> >>> >> >>> That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: >> >>> > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not have >> >>> > internet access on the Android device, will the app store the data >> >>> > locally >> >>> > until the device has a connection? >> >>> > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most of >> >>> > the >> >>> > time collecting data. When they return to an area that has coverage >> >>> > can they >> >>> > send all the data with one tap at that time? >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >> >>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >> >>> >> >>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> >>> > >> >>> > --- >> >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> > Groups "ODK Community" group. >> >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> >>> > send >> >>> > an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> >> >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >>> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >> >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >> >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> >> >> >> --- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups >> >> "ODK Community" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> >> an >> >> email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > -- >> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> > >> > --- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "ODK Community" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> > an >> > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > -- > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ODK Community" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

But the user will only have an Android device not necessarily a laptop.

I got the idea of capturing an instance of the completed form. Is the only
way to capture each instance to use the brief case? So if all the user has
is a cell phone sized device what are they supposed to do?

··· On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:09:53 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > > Briefcase runs on a laptop or desktop and can collect "instance" files > (completed forms) from the client devices connected to it. It can > then (under user control) send them over its Internet connection to > the Aggregate server in lieu of the client device doing so. Yes, > there are a couple more user steps. > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mark Worsnop <ma...@worsnop.com> wrote: > > So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I have lots > of > > processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data inputted I > am > > guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to the > breifcase > > by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded? > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >> > >> An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase. > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer wrote: > >> > There are options in the application settings for auto-send as well > as > >> > manual send. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local > database. > >> >> When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a > button > >> >> to do > >> >> the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when > they > >> >> are in > >> >> coverage? > >> >> > >> >> Thank you very much for the reply! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >> >>> > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not > have > >> >>> > internet access on the Android device, will the app store the > data > >> >>> > locally > >> >>> > until the device has a connection? > >> >>> > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most > of > >> >>> > the > >> >>> > time collecting data. When they return to an area that has > coverage > >> >>> > can they > >> >>> > send all the data with one tap at that time? > >> >>> > > >> >>> > -- > >> >>> > -- > >> >>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >> >>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >> >>> > >> >>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --- > >> >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >> >>> > Groups "ODK Community" group. > >> >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >> >>> > send > >> >>> > an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >> >>> > >> >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > >> >>> > > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> -- > >> >> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >> >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >> >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >> >> > >> >> --- > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> Groups > >> >> "ODK Community" group. > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> >> an > >> >> email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > -- > >> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >> > > >> > --- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "ODK Community" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> > an > >> > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > > -- > > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "ODK Community" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >

The best thing to do is to download the apps, try them, get an
understanding for how they inter-operate.

It sounds like you would not want to use Briefcase or KoBo Toolbox, but
would instead prefer to use ODK Aggregate or one of the other servers for
aggregating your results.

··· On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote:

But the user will only have an Android device not necessarily a laptop.

I got the idea of capturing an instance of the completed form. Is the
only way to capture each instance to use the brief case? So if all the
user has is a cell phone sized device what are they supposed to do?

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:09:53 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote:

Briefcase runs on a laptop or desktop and can collect "instance" files
(completed forms) from the client devices connected to it. It can
then (under user control) send them over its Internet connection to
the Aggregate server in lieu of the client device doing so. Yes,
there are a couple more user steps.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mark Worsnop ma...@worsnop.com wrote:

So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I have lots
of
processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data inputted
I am
guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to the
breifcase
by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded?

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote:

An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer sa...@saadaan.com wrote:

There are options in the application settings for auto-send as well
as

manual send.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop ma...@worsnop.com wrote:

Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local
database.

When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a
button

to do
the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when
they

are in
coverage?

Thank you very much for the reply!

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote:

That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed.

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop ma...@worsnop.com wrote:

I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not
have

internet access on the Android device, will the app store the
data

locally
until the device has a connection?
In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for most
of

the
time collecting data. When they return to an area that has
coverage

can they
send all the data with one tap at that time?

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I will download it, but I need to have an idea what to do. I understand
how it works IF I have a connection to the Aggregate server. And then
would have a good idea on how to assemble the software to do that. BUT
when then connection is not there, I at least need a clue what to do. I am
going to guess it pops up and says there is NO CONNECTION or something like
that. Then what on earth do I do? I just need to know this is supposed to
do what I need before I spend hours messing with it.

··· On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:21:42 AM UTC-7, Mitch Sundt wrote: > > The best thing to do is to download the apps, try them, get an > understanding for how they inter-operate. > > It sounds like you would not want to use Briefcase or KoBo Toolbox, but > would instead prefer to use ODK Aggregate or one of the other servers for > aggregating your results. > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Mark Worsnop <ma...@worsnop.com wrote: > >> But the user will only have an Android device not necessarily a laptop. >> >> I got the idea of capturing an instance of the completed form. Is the >> only way to capture each instance to use the brief case? So if all the >> user has is a cell phone sized device what are they supposed to do? >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:09:53 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >> >>> Briefcase runs on a laptop or desktop and can collect "instance" files >>> (completed forms) from the client devices connected to it. It can >>> then (under user control) send them over its Internet connection to >>> the Aggregate server in lieu of the client device doing so. Yes, >>> there are a couple more user steps. >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >>> > So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I have >>> lots of >>> > processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data inputted >>> I am >>> > guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to the >>> breifcase >>> > by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded? >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >>> >> >>> >> An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer wrote: >>> >> > There are options in the application settings for auto-send as well >>> as >>> >> > manual send. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local >>> database. >>> >> >> When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a >>> button >>> >> >> to do >>> >> >> the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when >>> they >>> >> >> are in >>> >> >> coverage? >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Thank you very much for the reply! >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: >>> >> >>> > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not >>> have >>> >> >>> > internet access on the Android device, will the app store the >>> data >>> >> >>> > locally >>> >> >>> > until the device has a connection? >>> >> >>> > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for >>> most of >>> >> >>> > the >>> >> >>> > time collecting data. When they return to an area that has >>> coverage >>> >> >>> > can they >>> >> >>> > send all the data with one tap at that time? >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > -- >>> >> >>> > -- >>> >> >>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>> >> >>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.**com >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/**group/opendatakit?hl=en >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > --- >>> >> >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> >> >>> > Groups "ODK Community" group. >>> >> >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>> it, >>> >> >>> > send >>> >> >>> > an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.**com. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/** >>> groups/opt_out . >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >> -- >>> >> >> -- >>> >> >> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>> >> >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.**com >>> >> >> Options: http://groups.google.com/**group/opendatakit?hl=en >>> >> >> >>> >> >> --- >>> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >> >> Groups >>> >> >> "ODK Community" group. >>> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send >>> >> >> an >>> >> >> email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.**com. >>> >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>> >> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.**com >>> >> > Options: http://groups.google.com/**group/opendatakit?hl=en >>> >> > >>> >> > --- >>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >> > Groups >>> >> > "ODK Community" group. >>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send >>> >> > an >>> >> > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.**com. >>> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out. >>> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -- >>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@**googlegroups.com >>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/**group/opendatakit?hl=en >>> > >>> > --- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "ODK Community" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an >>> > email to opendatakit...@**googlegroups.com. >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> -- >> -- >> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ODK Community" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Mitch Sundt > Software Engineer > University of Washington > mitche...@gmail.com >

Some basics:

Completed forms are stored on the phone - indefinitely.
These can be copied to a laptop or desktop - physically connecting
phone to computer.
They can be held on the computer indefinitely.
When there is a connection, whether from phone or laptop, they can be
transferred to the server.
If there is never a connection, they stay on the phone and/or laptop.

··· On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > I will download it, but I need to have an idea what to do. I understand how > it works IF I have a connection to the Aggregate server. And then would > have a good idea on how to assemble the software to do that. BUT when then > connection is not there, I at least need a clue what to do. I am going to > guess it pops up and says there is NO CONNECTION or something like that. > Then what on earth do I do? I just need to know this is supposed to do what > I need before I spend hours messing with it. > > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:21:42 AM UTC-7, Mitch Sundt wrote: >> >> The best thing to do is to download the apps, try them, get an >> understanding for how they inter-operate. >> >> It sounds like you would not want to use Briefcase or KoBo Toolbox, but >> would instead prefer to use ODK Aggregate or one of the other servers for >> aggregating your results. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >>> >>> But the user will only have an Android device not necessarily a laptop. >>> >>> I got the idea of capturing an instance of the completed form. Is the >>> only way to capture each instance to use the brief case? So if all the user >>> has is a cell phone sized device what are they supposed to do? >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:09:53 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >>>> >>>> Briefcase runs on a laptop or desktop and can collect "instance" files >>>> (completed forms) from the client devices connected to it. It can >>>> then (under user control) send them over its Internet connection to >>>> the Aggregate server in lieu of the client device doing so. Yes, >>>> there are a couple more user steps. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >>>> > So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I have >>>> > lots of >>>> > processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data inputted >>>> > I am >>>> > guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to the >>>> > breifcase >>>> > by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer wrote: >>>> >> > There are options in the application settings for auto-send as well >>>> >> > as >>>> >> > manual send. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local >>>> >> >> database. >>>> >> >> When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a >>>> >> >> button >>>> >> >> to do >>>> >> >> the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic when >>>> >> >> they >>>> >> >> are in >>>> >> >> coverage? >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Thank you very much for the reply! >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: >>>> >> >>> > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do not >>>> >> >>> > have >>>> >> >>> > internet access on the Android device, will the app store the >>>> >> >>> > data >>>> >> >>> > locally >>>> >> >>> > until the device has a connection? >>>> >> >>> > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for >>>> >> >>> > most of >>>> >> >>> > the >>>> >> >>> > time collecting data. When they return to an area that has >>>> >> >>> > coverage >>>> >> >>> > can they >>>> >> >>> > send all the data with one tap at that time? >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > -- >>>> >> >>> > -- >>>> >> >>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>>> >> >>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > --- >>>> >> >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> >> >>> > Google >>>> >> >>> > Groups "ODK Community" group. >>>> >> >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>> >> >>> > it, >>>> >> >>> > send >>>> >> >>> > an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > For more options, visit >>>> >> >>> > https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>>> >> >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >>>> >> >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> --- >>>> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> >> >> Groups >>>> >> >> "ODK Community" group. >>>> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> >> >> send >>>> >> >> an >>>> >> >> email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>>> >> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >>>> >> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>>> >> > >>>> >> > --- >>>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> >> > Groups >>>> >> > "ODK Community" group. >>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> >> > send >>>> >> > an >>>> >> > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > -- >>>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >>>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>>> > >>>> > --- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> > Groups >>>> > "ODK Community" group. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> > an >>>> > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com >>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com >>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "ODK Community" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mitch Sundt >> Software Engineer >> University of Washington >> mitche...@gmail.com > > -- > -- > Post: opendatakit@googlegroups.com > Unsubscribe: opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ODK Community" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to opendatakit+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

This is exactly what I was looking for!!! Thank you!

So when the user gets a connection then they press a button I guess to
upload all of the forms that are not yet uploaded? I assume the forms are
marked (flagged in the local DB) when they are uploaded?

Thank you all again!

··· On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:40:55 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > > Some basics: > > Completed forms are stored on the phone - indefinitely. > These can be copied to a laptop or desktop - physically connecting > phone to computer. > They can be held on the computer indefinitely. > When there is a connection, whether from phone or laptop, they can be > transferred to the server. > If there is never a connection, they stay on the phone and/or laptop. > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Mark Worsnop <ma...@worsnop.com> wrote: > > I will download it, but I need to have an idea what to do. I understand > how > > it works IF I have a connection to the Aggregate server. And then would > > have a good idea on how to assemble the software to do that. BUT when > then > > connection is not there, I at least need a clue what to do. I am going > to > > guess it pops up and says there is NO CONNECTION or something like that. > > Then what on earth do I do? I just need to know this is supposed to do > what > > I need before I spend hours messing with it. > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:21:42 AM UTC-7, Mitch Sundt wrote: > >> > >> The best thing to do is to download the apps, try them, get an > >> understanding for how they inter-operate. > >> > >> It sounds like you would not want to use Briefcase or KoBo Toolbox, but > >> would instead prefer to use ODK Aggregate or one of the other servers > for > >> aggregating your results. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >>> > >>> But the user will only have an Android device not necessarily a > laptop. > >>> > >>> I got the idea of capturing an instance of the completed form. Is the > >>> only way to capture each instance to use the brief case? So if all > the user > >>> has is a cell phone sized device what are they supposed to do? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:09:53 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Briefcase runs on a laptop or desktop and can collect "instance" > files > >>>> (completed forms) from the client devices connected to it. It can > >>>> then (under user control) send them over its Internet connection to > >>>> the Aggregate server in lieu of the client device doing so. Yes, > >>>> there are a couple more user steps. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >>>> > So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I have > >>>> > lots of > >>>> > processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data > inputted > >>>> > I am > >>>> > guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to the > >>>> > breifcase > >>>> > by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded? > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer wrote: > >>>> >> > There are options in the application settings for auto-send as > well > >>>> >> > as > >>>> >> > manual send. > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local > >>>> >> >> database. > >>>> >> >> When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a > >>>> >> >> button > >>>> >> >> to do > >>>> >> >> the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic > when > >>>> >> >> they > >>>> >> >> are in > >>>> >> >> coverage? > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> Thank you very much for the reply! > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >>>> >> >>> > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do > not > >>>> >> >>> > have > >>>> >> >>> > internet access on the Android device, will the app store > the > >>>> >> >>> > data > >>>> >> >>> > locally > >>>> >> >>> > until the device has a connection? > >>>> >> >>> > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for > >>>> >> >>> > most of > >>>> >> >>> > the > >>>> >> >>> > time collecting data. When they return to an area that has > >>>> >> >>> > coverage > >>>> >> >>> > can they > >>>> >> >>> > send all the data with one tap at that time? > >>>> >> >>> > > >>>> >> >>> > -- > >>>> >> >>> > -- > >>>> >> >>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >>>> >> >>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >>>> >> >>> > > >>>> >> >>> > --- > >>>> >> >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > >>>> >> >>> > Google > >>>> >> >>> > Groups "ODK Community" group. > >>>> >> >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails > from > >>>> >> >>> > it, > >>>> >> >>> > send > >>>> >> >>> > an email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > For more options, visit > >>>> >> >>> > https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >>>> >> >>> > > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> -- > >>>> >> >> -- > >>>> >> >> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >>>> >> >> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >>>> >> >> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> --- > >>>> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >>>> >> >> Groups > >>>> >> >> "ODK Community" group. > >>>> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, > >>>> >> >> send > >>>> >> >> an > >>>> >> >> email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> >> >> For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > -- > >>>> >> > -- > >>>> >> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >>>> >> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >>>> >> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > --- > >>>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >>>> >> > Groups > >>>> >> > "ODK Community" group. > >>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, > >>>> >> > send > >>>> >> > an > >>>> >> > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > >>>> > > >>>> > -- > >>>> > -- > >>>> > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >>>> > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >>>> > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >>>> > > >>>> > --- > >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> > Groups > >>>> > "ODK Community" group. > >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >>>> > an > >>>> > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> -- > >>> Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > >>> Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > >>> Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > >>> > >>> --- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "ODK Community" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >>> email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mitch Sundt > >> Software Engineer > >> University of Washington > >> mitche...@gmail.com > > > > -- > > -- > > Post: opend...@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe: opendatakit...@googlegroups.com > > Options: http://groups.google.com/group/opendatakit?hl=en > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "ODK Community" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to opendatakit...@googlegroups.com . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >

You got it.

··· On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > This is exactly what I was looking for!!! Thank you! > > So when the user gets a connection then they press a button I guess to > upload all of the forms that are not yet uploaded? I assume the forms are > marked (flagged in the local DB) when they are uploaded? > > Thank you all again! > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:40:55 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >> >> Some basics: >> >> Completed forms are stored on the phone - indefinitely. >> These can be copied to a laptop or desktop - physically connecting >> phone to computer. >> They can be held on the computer indefinitely. >> When there is a connection, whether from phone or laptop, they can be >> transferred to the server. >> If there is never a connection, they stay on the phone and/or laptop. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >> > I will download it, but I need to have an idea what to do. I understand >> > how >> > it works IF I have a connection to the Aggregate server. And then would >> > have a good idea on how to assemble the software to do that. BUT when >> > then >> > connection is not there, I at least need a clue what to do. I am going >> > to >> > guess it pops up and says there is NO CONNECTION or something like that. >> > Then what on earth do I do? I just need to know this is supposed to do >> > what >> > I need before I spend hours messing with it. >> > >> > >> > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:21:42 AM UTC-7, Mitch Sundt wrote: >> >> >> >> The best thing to do is to download the apps, try them, get an >> >> understanding for how they inter-operate. >> >> >> >> It sounds like you would not want to use Briefcase or KoBo Toolbox, but >> >> would instead prefer to use ODK Aggregate or one of the other servers >> >> for >> >> aggregating your results. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >> >>> >> >>> But the user will only have an Android device not necessarily a >> >>> laptop. >> >>> >> >>> I got the idea of capturing an instance of the completed form. Is the >> >>> only way to capture each instance to use the brief case? So if all >> >>> the user >> >>> has is a cell phone sized device what are they supposed to do? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:09:53 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Briefcase runs on a laptop or desktop and can collect "instance" >> >>>> files >> >>>> (completed forms) from the client devices connected to it. It can >> >>>> then (under user control) send them over its Internet connection to >> >>>> the Aggregate server in lieu of the client device doing so. Yes, >> >>>> there are a couple more user steps. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >> >>>> > So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I have >> >>>> > lots of >> >>>> > processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data >> >>>> > inputted >> >>>> > I am >> >>>> > guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to the >> >>>> > breifcase >> >>>> > by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded? >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer wrote: >> >>>> >> > There are options in the application settings for auto-send as >> >>>> >> > well >> >>>> >> > as >> >>>> >> > manual send. >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote: >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local >> >>>> >> >> database. >> >>>> >> >> When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on a >> >>>> >> >> button >> >>>> >> >> to do >> >>>> >> >> the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic >> >>>> >> >> when >> >>>> >> >> they >> >>>> >> >> are in >> >>>> >> >> coverage? >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> Thank you very much for the reply! >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: >> >>>> >> >>> > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do >> >>>> >> >>> > not >> >>>> >> >>> > have >> >>>> >> >>> > internet access on the Android device, will the app store >> >>>> >> >>> > the >> >>>> >> >>> > data >> >>>> >> >>> > locally >> >>>> >> >>> > until the device has a connection? >> >>>> >> >>> > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for >> >>>> >> >>> > most of >> >>>> >> >>> > the >> >>>> >> >>> > time collecting data. 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··· On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:52:31 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > > You got it. > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Mark Worsnop <ma...@worsnop.com> wrote: > > This is exactly what I was looking for!!! Thank you! > > > > So when the user gets a connection then they press a button I guess to > > upload all of the forms that are not yet uploaded? I assume the forms > are > > marked (flagged in the local DB) when they are uploaded? > > > > Thank you all again! > > > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:40:55 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >> > >> Some basics: > >> > >> Completed forms are stored on the phone - indefinitely. > >> These can be copied to a laptop or desktop - physically connecting > >> phone to computer. > >> They can be held on the computer indefinitely. > >> When there is a connection, whether from phone or laptop, they can be > >> transferred to the server. > >> If there is never a connection, they stay on the phone and/or laptop. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >> > I will download it, but I need to have an idea what to do. I > understand > >> > how > >> > it works IF I have a connection to the Aggregate server. And then > would > >> > have a good idea on how to assemble the software to do that. BUT > when > >> > then > >> > connection is not there, I at least need a clue what to do. I am > going > >> > to > >> > guess it pops up and says there is NO CONNECTION or something like > that. > >> > Then what on earth do I do? I just need to know this is supposed to > do > >> > what > >> > I need before I spend hours messing with it. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:21:42 AM UTC-7, Mitch Sundt wrote: > >> >> > >> >> The best thing to do is to download the apps, try them, get an > >> >> understanding for how they inter-operate. > >> >> > >> >> It sounds like you would not want to use Briefcase or KoBo Toolbox, > but > >> >> would instead prefer to use ODK Aggregate or one of the other > servers > >> >> for > >> >> aggregating your results. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> But the user will only have an Android device not necessarily a > >> >>> laptop. > >> >>> > >> >>> I got the idea of capturing an instance of the completed form. Is > the > >> >>> only way to capture each instance to use the brief case? So if all > >> >>> the user > >> >>> has is a cell phone sized device what are they supposed to do? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:09:53 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Briefcase runs on a laptop or desktop and can collect "instance" > >> >>>> files > >> >>>> (completed forms) from the client devices connected to it. It can > >> >>>> then (under user control) send them over its Internet connection > to > >> >>>> the Aggregate server in lieu of the client device doing so. Yes, > >> >>>> there are a couple more user steps. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >> >>>> > So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I > have > >> >>>> > lots of > >> >>>> > processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data > >> >>>> > inputted > >> >>>> > I am > >> >>>> > guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to > the > >> >>>> > breifcase > >> >>>> > by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded? > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK > Briefcase. > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer wrote: > >> >>>> >> > There are options in the application settings for auto-send > as > >> >>>> >> > well > >> >>>> >> > as > >> >>>> >> > manual send. > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a > local > >> >>>> >> >> database. > >> >>>> >> >> When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap > on a > >> >>>> >> >> button > >> >>>> >> >> to do > >> >>>> >> >> the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic > >> >>>> >> >> when > >> >>>> >> >> they > >> >>>> >> >> are in > >> >>>> >> >> coverage? > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> Thank you very much for the reply! > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote: > >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed. > >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop wrote: > >> >>>> >> >>> > I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I > do > >> >>>> >> >>> > not > >> >>>> >> >>> > have > >> >>>> >> >>> > internet access on the Android device, will the app store > >> >>>> >> >>> > the > >> >>>> >> >>> > data > >> >>>> >> >>> > locally > >> >>>> >> >>> > until the device has a connection? > >> >>>> >> >>> > In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage > for > >> >>>> >> >>> > most of > >> >>>> >> >>> > the > >> >>>> >> >>> > time collecting data. 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Mark,

I've been using ODK for several years and think its a very easy thing to
get started with. I would recommend the videos and explanations on the
site, e.g. http://opendatakit.org/use/, which outlines that you need to 1)
design a form (or use a sample one), 2) setup a server (a one click
deployment on google apps), and 3) connect the device to that server (a
setting in the ODK application on the Android).

The answer to your specific question -
You will see when you get the sample forms working (and you can do this
with the sample server and the sample form), that each filled-out-form is
saved locally and then you upload them one at a time. Its super intuitive
once you can play around with the ODK Collect on the device. One way to
test is to put your Android in Airplane mode and do a bunch of things and
then reconnect.

The filled-out-forms move from the "ready to upload" state to the "already
uploaded state" when ODK Collect connects to the ODK Aggregate. That means
you won't upload a filled-out-form twice.

Technically, I believe that the ODK Aggregate Database includes a flag for
completed uploaded, which tells the local ODK Collect to not send that
instance of a form again. So, it is more like "if the data is in
Aggregate, then Aggregate has told ODK Collect that there is success and
ODK Collect manages the state of the form locally on the device." All of
that however, is behind the scenes and I may be mixing it up; I have
certainly never had to worry about it - it just works!

Welcome to ODK !

  • James
    ODK Community member since 2010
··· On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Mark Worsnop wrote:

This is exactly what I was looking for!!! Thank you!

So when the user gets a connection then they press a button I guess to
upload all of the forms that are not yet uploaded? I assume the forms are
marked (flagged in the local DB) when they are uploaded?

Thank you all again!

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:40:55 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote:

Some basics:

Completed forms are stored on the phone - indefinitely.
These can be copied to a laptop or desktop - physically connecting
phone to computer.
They can be held on the computer indefinitely.
When there is a connection, whether from phone or laptop, they can be
transferred to the server.
If there is never a connection, they stay on the phone and/or laptop.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Mark Worsnop ma...@worsnop.com wrote:

I will download it, but I need to have an idea what to do. I
understand how
it works IF I have a connection to the Aggregate server. And then
would
have a good idea on how to assemble the software to do that. BUT when
then
connection is not there, I at least need a clue what to do. I am going
to
guess it pops up and says there is NO CONNECTION or something like
that.
Then what on earth do I do? I just need to know this is supposed to do
what
I need before I spend hours messing with it.

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:21:42 AM UTC-7, Mitch Sundt wrote:

The best thing to do is to download the apps, try them, get an
understanding for how they inter-operate.

It sounds like you would not want to use Briefcase or KoBo Toolbox,
but

would instead prefer to use ODK Aggregate or one of the other servers
for

aggregating your results.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Mark Worsnop ma...@worsnop.com wrote:

But the user will only have an Android device not necessarily a
laptop.

I got the idea of capturing an instance of the completed form. Is
the

only way to capture each instance to use the brief case? So if all
the user

has is a cell phone sized device what are they supposed to do?

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:09:53 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote:

Briefcase runs on a laptop or desktop and can collect "instance"
files

(completed forms) from the client devices connected to it. It can
then (under user control) send them over its Internet connection to
the Aggregate server in lieu of the client device doing so. Yes,
there are a couple more user steps.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mark Worsnop ma...@worsnop.com wrote:

So I need to set up the briefcase it sounds like. So now do I have
lots of
processes for the clients to do? Hard enough to get the data
inputted

I am
guessing. When then hit the upload button, does it then go to the
breifcase
by itself? How does the briefcase then get uploaded?

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:49:01 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote:

An option for local transfer (without coverage) is ODK Briefcase.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Saad Omer sa...@saadaan.com wrote:

There are options in the application settings for auto-send as
well

as
manual send.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark Worsnop < ma...@worsnop.com> wrote:

Make sure I understand then.... it stores the data in a local
database.
When the user is back in coverage then the user has to tap on
a

button
to do
the upload. Or is there a way to make the upload automatic
when

they
are in
coverage?

Thank you very much for the reply!

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:27:39 AM UTC-7, Gaetano Borriello wrote:

That is exactly the use case for which ODK was designed.

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Mark Worsnop < ma...@worsnop.com> wrote:

I have not installed ODK yet, but have a question. If I do
not

have
internet access on the Android device, will the app store
the

data
locally
until the device has a connection?
In other words the devices will be out of cell coverage for
most of
the
time collecting data. When they return to an area that has
coverage
can they
send all the data with one tap at that time?

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